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Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby fsmithred » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:21 am

The i386 build (refracta8_xfce beta) is missing one package needed if you want mutt to work with gmail.

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apt-get install libsasl2-modules


No need to add it to the amd64 build - it's already there.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby fsmithred » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:53 pm

New xfce-beta isos:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac ... s/testing/

2016-04-02 xfce-beta changes

Autologin is not working. Login user:user or root:root
Added pgup/pgdn scrolling in history.
Disabled auto-detect for usbwait. Use panel buttons to mount/unmount usb.
Edited synaptic and gparted desktop files to start with gksu instead of pkexec.
Removed (replaced) deb-multimedia packages.
Disabled autostart for wicd client.
Added libsasl2-modules to i386 so that mutt will work with gmail.
Added Refracta bookmarks and NoScript to browser, set start page and home page to blank.
Added arp-scan.
Added bluetooth support.
Disabled xscreensaver.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby golinux » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:39 pm

fsmithred wrote:New xfce-beta isos:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac ... s/testing/

2016-04-02 xfce-beta changes

Autologin is not working. Login user:user or root:root
Added pgup/pgdn scrolling in history.
Disabled auto-detect for usbwait. Use panel buttons to mount/unmount usb.
Edited synaptic and gparted desktop files to start with gksu instead of pkexec.
Removed (replaced) deb-multimedia packages.
Disabled autostart for wicd client.
Added libsasl2-modules to i386 so that mutt will work with gmail.
Added Refracta bookmarks and NoScript to browser, set start page and home page to blank.
Added arp-scan.
Added bluetooth support.
Disabled xscreensaver.

Yes, I prefer gksu to pkexe also

So what media pkgs are now installed by default?

IIRC bluetooth requires pulseaudio. Hopefully removing both won't take everything else with it. ;)

Are you still pinning systemd stuff?
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby fsmithred » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:32 pm

Media packages are still the same - audacious and gnome-mplayer. Almost all the packages are the same as in previous (wheezy and squeeze) versions of refracta with xfce. An historical note - there was a lot of input from different people regarding package selection when we were working on squeeze. I think it's a pretty good mix, but it's not the exact mix I'd make for myself. I have to replace some things after I install. And even though I don't have to answer to anyone, I don't think it would be right for me to deviate much from that mix. If I want to change a package in the release, I have to give myself some good reasons for doing it.

I don't have any bluetooth devices to test, so I don't know if it works. The packages I installed did not require any systemd libs or pulseaudio. And yes, I'm still pinning to prevent anything with systemd in the name from sneaking in. That's come in handy a couple of times.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby dzz » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:26 am

Thanks for the latest build! Runs fine, posting from a live session.

Autologin worked after setting a timeout in lightdm.conf (I set 5 then switched to runlevel 1 and back to test)

RE media apps: mpv is very good and lightweight. It supports https which the seemingly unmaintained mplayer(2) does not; that is now required for any youtube apps like smtube or (my choice) gtk-youtube-viewer. The latest upstream version of youtube-dl seems needed also for that, debian packages are too old.

I'm just looking at /var/lib/live/config/ (state files for live-config scripts have been run). I can't yet work out why some of them are there. Will try with different cmdlines later.

[email protected]:/home/user# cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=(loop)/live/vmlinuz boot=live findiso=/refracta-xfce/snapshot_current.iso locales=en_GB.UTF-8 timezone=Europe/London noeject swap debug=1 nocomponents=xinit

[email protected]:/home/user# ls /var/lib/live/config/
hostname login refracta-lang sysv-rc xfce4-panel
lightdm openssh-server ssl-cert tzdata xinit
locales policykit sudo util-linux xscreensaver

I can't do a code box in the browser (noscript?)

EDIT For non-US users, the live-config script "refracta-lang" still works as it did in Jessie.. "lang=en_GB", for example, gives automatic UK locale and keyboard setting without the tedium of typing locales=whatever.UTF-8 and keyboard-layouts=whatever.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby fsmithred » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:03 pm

Autologin is working in the i386. It's just the amd64 that has a problem. I did a similar test with autologin, and a timeout of 1 second works. Which is weird, because the timeout was set to 1 sec. when I made the first iso, and autologin didn't work. I tried setting it to zero in the next build, and then just commented out the autologin lines in the third build, which is the one I uploaded. I'll set a timeout in the next build and hope for the best. Maybe one second is not enough every time.

As for which config scripts run and why, and which boot options to use, I've been frustrated with that since we started working with jessie. It seems like every few months, the behavior upon listing or not listing components changes. Let me know what you find.

Code box requires allowing javascript for cgstatic.com and freeforums.org. Or else type the code tags manually.

mpv looks nice. It's small, doesn't use a lot of ram, and it works. I wish there was a browser plugin for it. I wouldn't mind replacing gnome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer. The gnome-mplayer in my installation no longer works. I'm pretty sure that happened some time after I installed vlc, not immediately.

Replacing gnome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer with xine-ui and xine-plugin would only use 1MB more space. I might try that.

There is another media player installed that I forgot to mention. I remembered it last night when I tried to play a video file with vlc, and it wouldn't work. The same video worked fine with avplay.

Is there a new gtk-youtube-viewer? What I'm finding is from 2013.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby golinux » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:24 pm

xine really, really sucks.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby dzz » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:19 pm

All you need for a live build is a good, basic one.. mpv does just fine. Users add what they want post-install (I like vlc but it's too heavy for a live build)

If you want to try a newer mpv, stevepusser did a jessie backport: http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/
Is there a new gtk-youtube-viewer? What I'm finding is from 2013.

3.2.1 is current and still gtk2. My deb package and sources are posted here: http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experim ... be-viewer/ Or build your own from https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer/

youtube-dl from backports works here (install that first) and make sure you got mpv or vlc.

Depends: perl, libdata-dump-perl, libfile-sharedir-perl, libgtk2-perl, libwww-perl, libterm-readline-perl-perl, liburi-perl, youtube-dl (>= 2015.02.23), libjson-xs-perl, libjson-perl, libparse-http-useragent-perl
Suggests: gcap, liblwp-protocol-https-perl, libtext-charwidth-perl, libterm-readkey-perl, libterm-readline-gnu-perl, libterm-ui-perl, libterm-extendedcolor-perl, mpv | vlc, wget

The solution posted here: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=9600 (custom buttons) works for me in palemoon and iceweasel. Video streams play with mpv with flash disabled in the browser. Need to change the code to /usr/bin/mpv.
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby fsmithred » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:52 pm

It works with youtube. I haven't tried the custom buttons yet, but the mpv plugin works. I want to post what I did, in case someone else tries it. Fun and games with backports - I already got burned once by that.

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Add backports repo, run 'apt-get update'
Then 'apt-get -s -t jessie-backports install youtube-dl'
Note what extra packages you need. I needed python-pkg-resources.

Comment out the backports repo, run 'apt-get update' again, and
install python-pkg-resources
That way, any dependencies get pulled from the stable repo.

Uncomment backports, run apt-get update, then run
apt-get -t jessie-backports install youtube-dl

Comment out backports, run apt-get update.


# jessie backports
#deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free


Download the .deb file for youtube-viewer and install with dpkg.
http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experimental/youtube-viewer/

Add Watch-with-mpv firefox addon
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/watch-with-mpv/
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Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Postby dzz » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:38 pm

For youtube-dl it might be better to just get the upstream binary as per instructions. A newer one is already out. The debian packages are already outdated (and the update facility doesn't work).

https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl

I like youtube-viewer, no heavyweight browser, no qt4, no gtk3. I don't know if antiX still package it.
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