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Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby AlexRey » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:41 am

Badly worded on my part , What i meant was can anyone suggest a rolling release that can be converted to a Livedisk with refracta? :)

I know people love point release for stability but apart from the fact i'm always pushed for time it also annoys the crap out of me having to reinstall linux distribution every few months.

The closest i've come so far since yesterday is PClinuxOS , It's derived from Mandrake so it doesn't have SystemD and apparently you install it once and all updates and changes are delivered via patches of the latest stable releases rather than development releases.

Like Refracta you can install it to hardrive to customise your desktop and then convert it to a Livedisk ISO with their application mylivecd

http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/ ... 4.rpm.html

I have no idea how well it works as i've only just been reading about it and have yet to try it but i thought i'd post that link to the script in case it's of any interest to you too see if any parts of the script can be used for refracta as their version can exceed the 4 gig ISO limit.
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby vsido » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:13 pm

AlexRey wrote:Badly worded on my part , What i meant was can anyone suggest a rolling release that can be converted to a Livedisk with refracta? :)

I know people love point release for stability but apart from the fact i'm always pushed for time it also annoys the crap out of me having to reinstall linux distribution every few months.


Not sure if you are looking for a debian based rolling release but my VSIDO distro is built using refracta tools already and is based on SID and the ISO's updated at a minimum every two weeks...

doing an apt-get dist-upgrade once installed gets you the same result

All build tools are left on the ISO's for transparency
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby AlexRey » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:35 am

I'm sure fsmithred can do without users slagging off other linux Distributions but i have to say after trying PCLinuxos that it's a load of old crap.

Seems to be stuck in the 90's with horrid colours and odd plugins such as DivX , who the hell still uses Divx..........
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby nadir » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:41 am

What i meant was can anyone suggest a rolling release that can be converted to a Livedisk with refracta?

It's been a while, but antiX comes to my mind
It was possible to use it with testing and/or sid repos, it doesn't come with systemd, if refractatools don't work (i see no reason why the shouldn't) they got similar tools, iirc.
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby FOSSuser » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:49 am

@AlexRey

Any distro based on Debian, & therefore Devuan(?) can be updated at any time by the user.

Live media would be made from the updated system, I don't think there is any script to add updates to a live image.
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby thwak » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:46 pm

Live media would be made from the updated system, I don't think there is any script to add updates to a live image.

"Create a live-usb from: an iso file, another live-usb, a live-cd/dvd, or from the currently running live system"
https://github.com/BitJam/live-usb-maker
(I've successfully tested with sparkylinux and various other isohybrid isos)

"from a running antiX or MX live-usb session, update (upgrade/downgrade) the installed kernel"
https://github.com/BitJam/live-kernel-updater

(from a running antiX or MX live-usb session)
"create a new compressed file system, saving all of the changes you have made to the system."
(all, minus necessary exclusions along with self-selected exclusions)(exclusions ala refractasnapshot)
https://github.com/BitJam/Persist-Scrip ... e-remaster

see also: "snapmergepuppy"
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109393
https://github.com/flp9001/puppybrasil/ ... mergepuppy
my bookmarked github link probably doesn't point to the definitive (current, up-to-date) version

see also: "mergexzm" (for use with Porteus)
https://forum.porteus.org/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=3532

related (kinda): "script to unpack, manage, repack contents of your initrd|initramfs"
https://github.com/kohts/ps_initrd.sh
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby thwak » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:43 pm

AlexRey wrote:i have to say after trying PCLinuxos that it's a load of old crap.

Seems to be stuck in the 90's with horrid colours and odd plugins such as DivX , who the hell still uses Divx

The herd clearly disagrees with your pointed assessment. Check out the current (underway) fossforce poll:
http://fossforce.com/

Why ragging about"DivX (or not)" ?
It's a codec, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX
Some "plugin" (for VLC? for fibrefox?) preinstalled in PClinuxOS supports playback of DivX-encoded media, and that chaps your hide?
fibrefox is a weak pun here, not a typo
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby fsmithred » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:41 pm

If you want to update/upgrade a live system using refracta tools and without installing the system to hard drive, you'd need to boot a live usb, run the update and uprade, then make a new iso with refractasnapshot, and then put that iso onto a live usb. You would need some mounted storage space for the work dir and snapshot dir. Also, it would probably help to be using a persistent volume, so that the changes on upgrade get written somewhere instead of taking up memory.

You can make a live-usb directly from a running live system (CD, DVD or USB) with refracta2usb, but it just copies the existing filesystem.squashfs.
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby AlexRey » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:28 am

nadir wrote:It's been a while, but antiX comes to my mind


Thanks , I'll check it out but from what i can see so far it's the same issue of all debian based Distro's that the only way you can go fully rolling is too switch over to the unstable branch so you have the oxymoron of never having to waste time re-installing again but then waste time fixing unstable issues.

thwak wrote:The herd clearly disagrees with your pointed assessment.


Then going by that logic may you have many happy years with Microsoft windows.


fsmithred wrote:If you want to update/upgrade a live system using refracta tools and without installing the system to hard drive, you'd need to boot a live usb, run the update and uprade, then make a new iso with refractasnapshot, and then put that iso onto a live usb. You would need some mounted storage space for the work dir and snapshot dir. Also, it would probably help to be using a persistent volume, so that the changes on upgrade get written somewhere instead of taking up memory.

You can make a live-usb directly from a running live system (CD, DVD or USB) with refracta2usb, but it just copies the existing filesystem.squashfs.


< HeadScratch >

I just asked if anyone knows a Stable rolling release that can be converted to a live disk.
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Re: Refracta installer and snapshot used on other distros

Postby nadir » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:04 am

Might be me, i don't think much about rolling, but it looks as if stable release would be the exact opposite of roliling.
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